{"id":28075,"date":"2024-10-16T00:01:06","date_gmt":"2024-10-16T07:01:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/?p=28075"},"modified":"2024-10-16T04:04:32","modified_gmt":"2024-10-16T11:04:32","slug":"22-lr-rim-thickness-vs-accuracy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/2024\/10\/16\/22-lr-rim-thickness-vs-accuracy\/","title":{"rendered":".22 LR Rim Thickness vs. Accuracy"},"content":{"rendered":"<h6>By Joe Berk<\/h6>\n<p>Here\u2019s the latest accuracy rabbit hole I&#8217;ve gone down: Rim thickness as an accuracy factor for .22 Long Rifle ammo.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28084\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28084\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28084 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9166-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"337\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9166-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9166-600-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28084\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kevin&#8217;s .22 Long Rifle ammo sorted by rim thickness.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>My friend Kevin told me about a hypothesis that holds you can get even cheap .22 ammo to shoot well if you sort by rim thickness.\u00a0 I researched this online, and like most things online, opinions are all over the map (Abraham Lincoln once famously said not everything you read on the internet is true).\u00a0 Kevin told me about this and suggested it might make for an interesting blog.\u00a0 I felt it was worth investigating, and I&#8217;d never considered .22 Long Rifle rim thickness as a variable until Kevin mentioned it.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_27628\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-27628\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-27628 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8876-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"444\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8876-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8876-600-300x222.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-27628\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal Value Pack .22 Long Rifle ammo.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_27630\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-27630\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-27630 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8877-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"273\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8877-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/IMG_8877-600-300x137.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-27630\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Velocity data on the Federal Value Pack ammo. A bit optimistic, as it turns out.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Kevin had a specially fixtured dial indicator for measuring rim thickness (see the photo on top of this blog) and he lent it to me for this blog.\u00a0\u00a0I sorted a bunch of Federal Value Pack 36 grain .22 ammo.\u00a0 It\u2019s cheap ammo.\u00a0 I\u2019ll get to the results in a second.<\/p>\n<p>First, take a look at the SAAMI specs for sporting .22 Long Rifle ammo:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-28076\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Match-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"295\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Match-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Match-600-300x148.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>\u2026and for match grade .22 LR ammo:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-28077\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Sporting-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Sporting-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Sporting-600-300x133.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Yeah, I couldn\u2019t see any difference between the two, either.\u00a0 You\u2019d think match grade specs would be tighter, but they\u2019re not.\u00a0\u00a0But check out that tolerance on rim thickness for both grades of .22 Long Rifle ammo\u2026it varies from 0.036 to 0.043 inches.\u00a0 That seems like a huge tolerance to me.<\/p>\n<p>If you read the SAAMI .22 Long Rifle chamber specs, the dimensioning there is the same for the chamber&#8217;s rim cavity on a sporting versus a match chamber.\u00a0 The chamber rim cavity can range from 0.043 to 0.051 inches.\u00a0 It would seem that a max thickness rim in a minimum length chamber would have line-to-line contact between the bolt face and the back of the cartridge.\u00a0 Any cartridge case that is less than 0.043 inches thick, or any chamber with the rim cavity longer than 0.043 inches, would allow clearance between the bolt face and the rear of the cartridge.\u00a0 Thicker rimmed cartridges would have minimal room to move around in the chamber, and should be more accurate.<\/p>\n<p>The rim thickness versus accuracy hypothesis sounds like it could make sense.\u00a0 Differing rim thicknesses will influence headspace (.22 Long Rifle ammo headspaces on the rim), and that could influence accuracy.\u00a0 Also, as Kevin pointed out, rim thickness will affect firing pin strike on the cartridge case, so if the thicknesses are identical, the firing pin strike should be the same (and that should result in improved accuracy).\u00a0 It all sounds good, anyway.<\/p>\n<p>I used Kevin&#8217;s dial indicator and measured rim thickness until I got tired of doing so (it took 62 cartridges for me to get there).\u00a0 I found four different rim thicknesses:\u00a0 0.038, 0.039, 0.040, and 0.041 inches.\u00a0 I could see that the rim thicknesses were normally distributed with the cartridges sorted on my desk, but I thought it would be cool to prepare a bar chart and make that finding a bit more clear.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28079\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28079\" style=\"width: 480px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28079 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Fed-Val-Pak-Histo.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"336\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Fed-Val-Pak-Histo.jpg 480w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Fed-Val-Pak-Histo-300x210.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 480px) 85vw, 480px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28079\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A rim thickness histogram. The rim thicknesses are normally distributed.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>All the cartridge rim thicknesses I measured were within the SAAMI specification, but the SAAMI specification is liberal.<\/p>\n<p>I headed to the West End Gun Club the next day with my most accurate .22 rifle, a beautiful CZ 452 Varmint model with a 14X Mueller scope.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28087\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28087\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28087 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_0050-600Adjusted-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"273\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_0050-600Adjusted-1.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_0050-600Adjusted-1-300x137.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28087\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">My CZ 452. I saw this photo on a forum and wrote to the owner asking if he&#8217;d consider selling the rifle. The answer was no. But a year later he contacted me to ask if I still wanted to buy it. With wood like that, my answer was &#8220;Hell, yeah&#8230;&#8221;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The plan was to shoot five-shot groups at 50 yards off the bench using the rim-thickness sorted Federal El Cheapo ammo.\u00a0 Here&#8217;s how that turned out:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28088\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28088\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28088 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9216-600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"711\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9216-600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9216-600-253x300.jpg 253w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28088\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">50-yard groups with ammo sorted by rim thickness.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>All my shots felt right when the firing pin dropped, so I&#8217;m pretty sure that I wasn&#8217;t throwing the shots around due to poor technique.\u00a0 This rifle normally shoots much tighter groups at 50 yards with standard velocity ammo.\u00a0 \u00a0The intent here was to see if I could get it to shoot better with cheap ammunition sorted by rim thickness.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how it all shook out:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28090\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28090\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28090 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Rim-Thickness-Data.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"159\" srcset=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Rim-Thickness-Data.jpg 600w, https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Rim-Thickness-Data-300x80.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28090\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Results show that for Federal Value Pack ammo, sorting by rim thickness does not improve accuracy. Note the average velocity figures; they are all well below Federal&#8217;s claimed 1260 feet per second value. All group size data in inches; all velocity data in feet per second.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>My take on the above data is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ul>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ul>\n<li>All the rim thicknesses I measured were well within the liberal SAAMI specification tolerance band.<\/li>\n<li>Not surprisingly, rim thickness is normally distributed (something I&#8217;ve found to be true for most manufacturing processes).<\/li>\n<li>Rim thickness, at least with my inexpensive Federal Value Pack ammo, has no effect on accuracy.\u00a0 Well, almost no effect; that last group with 0.041-inch rims jumped in size.\u00a0 But it was only one group.\u00a0 I looked for more 0.041-inch-thick rounds to test this again and I couldn&#8217;t find any.<\/li>\n<li>Rim thickness, at least with my inexpensive Federal Value Pack ammo, has no effect on average velocity.<\/li>\n<li>Rim thickness, at least with my inexpensive Federal Value Pack ammo, probably has no effect on velocity variation.\u00a0 Although the table above shows differences, it&#8217;s likely those differences would disappear if the sample sizes were larger.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Sorting by rim thickness is an interesting hypothesis, but my limited testing to assess the hypothesis shows it&#8217;s not worth the effort (at least with Federal Value Pack ammo).\u00a0\u00a0I have Remington and Aquila target ammo, and I\u2019m going to measure rim thickness on those two brands in the next day or so to see if the rim thickness variability is lower.\u00a0 \u00a0I&#8217;ll fire that sorted ammo through the CZ to see if the rim thickness hypothesis holds up with better ammo.\u00a0 \u00a0It&#8217;s another good excuse to get out to the range (not that I ever need an excuse).<\/p>\n<p>Stay tuned, my friends.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Never miss an ExNotes blog:<div class=\"wpforms-container wpforms-container-full\" id=\"wpforms-32730\"><form id=\"wpforms-form-32730\" class=\"wpforms-validate wpforms-form wpforms-ajax-form\" data-formid=\"32730\" method=\"post\" enctype=\"multipart\/form-data\" action=\"\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28075\" data-token=\"6ee8750fff8993003d8d027fad33080f\" data-token-time=\"1792806594\"><noscript class=\"wpforms-error-noscript\">Please enable JavaScript in your browser to complete this form.<\/noscript><div class=\"wpforms-field-container\">\t\t<div id=\"wpforms-32730-field_1-container\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"wpforms-field wpforms-field-text\"\n\t\t\tdata-field-type=\"text\"\n\t\t\tdata-field-id=\"1\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t<label class=\"wpforms-field-label\" for=\"wpforms-32730-field_1\" >Email<\/label>\n\t\t\t<input type=\"text\" id=\"wpforms-32730-field_1\" class=\"wpforms-field-medium\" name=\"wpforms[fields][1]\" >\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div id=\"wpforms-32730-field_2-container\" class=\"wpforms-field wpforms-field-email\" data-field-id=\"2\"><label class=\"wpforms-field-label\" for=\"wpforms-32730-field_2\">Email <span class=\"wpforms-required-label\">*<\/span><\/label><input type=\"email\" id=\"wpforms-32730-field_2\" class=\"wpforms-field-medium wpforms-field-required\" name=\"wpforms[fields][2]\" spellcheck=\"false\" required><\/div><script>\n\t\t\t\t( function() {\n\t\t\t\t\tconst style = document.createElement( 'style' );\n\t\t\t\t\tstyle.appendChild( document.createTextNode( '#wpforms-32730-field_1-container { position: absolute !important; 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My friend Kevin told me about a hypothesis that holds you can get even cheap .22 ammo to shoot well if you sort by rim thickness.\u00a0 I researched this online, and like &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/2024\/10\/16\/22-lr-rim-thickness-vs-accuracy\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;.22 LR Rim Thickness vs. Accuracy&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":28085,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":true,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[84],"tags":[4340,464,2430,4339,4341],"class_list":["post-28075","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-guns","tag-22-long-rifle-accuracy","tag-22-long-rifle","tag-cz","tag-rim-thickness-versus-accuracy","tag-saami-ammo-specs"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMG_9169-900.jpg","post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28075","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28075"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28075\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28309,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28075\/revisions\/28309"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/28085"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28075"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28075"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/exhaustnotes.us\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28075"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}