A 300 H&H Ammo Score

Finding reloading components of any kind these days (brass, bullets, powders, or primers) is a tough thing to do.  Finding brass for more exotic cartridges is near impossible.  One of my favorite cartridges is the famed .300 Holland and Holland.  It’s a specialty item.  I’ve not seen loaded .300 H&H ammo or brass in gun stores for years.  I searched for two years for brass and found nothing.  Prices for both ammo and brass have climbed through the roof (Nosler brass, just the empty brass, is now about $6 per round), but it’s all moot.  It could be free or it could be $100 per round.  Nobody has any.  I know moot, and this is it.

I was recently in my local reloading shop (Phillips Wholesale, in Covina, California).  I stop by there periodically just to see what Rick has in stock, and if it’s anything I might be able to use, I buy it because there’s no telling when it will be available again.  While there, I was lamenting with Rick about the sad state of affairs in component availability, and I mentioned not being able to find .300 H&H brass.  Rick perked up.  “.300 H&H?” he said.  “I might have something.”

Rick pulled a plastic box of 50 cartridges from under the counter.  It contained .300 H&H handloaded ammo in virgin (previously unfired) brass.

.300 H&H ammo. It;s beautiful, isn’t it?
The data label on the ammo Rick showed to me. It was loaded 12 1/2 years ago.

Rick helps folks settle estates when the estate includes reloading goodies.  This was a box of ammo with that provenance.   I normally wouldn’t fire someone else’s handloads.  I’m a careful reloader; I don’t know that the someone else who loaded other ammo was.  But I had, in my hot little hands, 50 rounds of fresh .300 H&H brass.   I didn’t recognize the propellant (AA 86?), but I didn’t care.  I figured I could pull the bullets, dump the powder, and load the new brass with my preferred .300 H&H load, which is 60.0 grains of IMR 4320 and a Winchester 150-grain jacketed softpoint bullet.  My rifle (I’ll tell you more about it in a minute) has shot 0.25-inch groups with this load.

So I bought the ammo and proceeded to pull it apart.  I removed the bullets (which mashed a few tips and scraped a few ogives), dumped the powder, and reloaded the brass cases with my IMR 4320 load.  I reused the pulled bullets.  The bullets weren’t perfect after the extraction operation, but I wanted to fireform the brass to my rifle and I didn’t care about their condition.  Once the brass has been fireformed (fired so it conforms to that particular rifle), I will neck size only to maximize case life.  The .300 H&H cartridge is known for short case life when it is full length resized.

AA 86 propellant and Remington 150-grain jacketed soft poin bullets pulled from the first box of ammo. I’m going to use that powder in .243 ammo now that I know what it is.

I weighed a few of the powder charges as I was pulling the bullets and they were exactly as labeled on the box Rick sold to me:  75.0 grains.  Whoever loaded this (a fellow from Riverside who passed away) was obviously a careful reloader.  The propellant was a stick powder, so I figured it was a rifle propellant, but I had never heard of AA 86.  I recognized AA as most likely belonging to Accurate Arms, but there’s nothing I could initially find on the Accurate website called AA 86.

I called Accurate Arms’ customer service to see if they could shed any light on the AA 86 mystery.  The kid I spoke with told me Accurate Arms had gone through an acquisition, and he didn’t know anything about their propellants before the acquisition.  He specificially had never heard of AA 86.  I poked around a bit more on the Internet and learned that Accurate Arms had occasionally sold surplus powders identified as Data Powder (or DP) powders, followed by a two-digit number.  There was a DP 86 powder.  I went back to the Accurate Arms site and found a reference to it, which said that DP 86 was essentially the same as their AS 3100 powder.  The Accurate Arms customer service guy didn’t know this (he sounded like a young guy).

When I bought the box of .300 H&H ammo from Rick, he told me he might have some more.  I gave him my phone number and Rick called a couple of days later.  He found three more boxes.  I was in the middle of doing something important (writing an ExNotes blog, actually), but Rick’s message took priority.  I stopped writing and left for Rick’s shop immediately.

I told Rick about the phone call to Accurate Arms.  Rick knew all about DP 86, and he told me that this ammo had indeed been loaded with DP 86.  He also had canisters of the powder from the gentleman who passed away.  It sold quickly, Rick told me.

After pulling the bullets, I reloaded the first box with my pet load. If I was loading for accuracy, I would measure each charge, but I just wanted to fireform so I charged each case with my RCBS powder dispenser. IMR 4320 is an extruded rod powder, but the individual rods are small and it meters well.

I mentioned above that I would tell you a bit about my .300 H&H rifle.  My Dad bought it for me in the early 1970s before my US Army tour in Korea.  The rifle began life as a 7mm Weatherby Magnum, but I never could get the rifle to group well with that cartridge.  I had it rebarreled in .300 H&H, a cartridge I had read a lot about and learned to love in a pre-’64 Model 70 Winchester (don’t ask, it’s sold, and yeah, selling it was a dumb move on my part).   I glass bedded the Weatherby action, and I stripped the rifle’s original epoxy finish and refinished it with TruOil.

A Douglas barrel chambered in .300 H&H. It has a 1 turn in 10 inches twist rate and it is accurate. The rebarreled  Weatherby feeds the .300 H&H cartridges flawlessly.
Rich, warm, and beautiful.  There’s something about oil-finished walnut that is just right.
The flip side looks just as good. About 10 years after I refinished this rifle, Weatherby introduced their Euromark line, which was the Mark V with an oil finished walnut stock. I own a couple. Both have highly figured walnut, but to me this custom .300 H&H looks better. It groups better, too.  Weatherby has since discontinued making walnut Mark V rifles.  They are all composite rifles now, which seems like a crime against nature.

I’ve been shooting and hunting with this custom .300 H&H Weatherby for close to 50 years now, and  I’ve owned and shot quite a few other rifles during that time.  This one remains my favorite. I am a big Weatherby fan and I love the .300 H&H cartridge.  It is the perfect combination of power, accuracy, and manageable recoil.  I greatly prefer the .300 H&H Magnum over the .300 Weatherby Magnum.  The .300 Weatherby Magnum’s recoil is vicious and unpleasant.  The .300 Weatherby’s recoil is aggravated by a need to load at or near maximum for accuracy.  The .300 H&H is a more useable and enjoyable chambering.

I bought four boxes (200 rounds!) of this handloaded virgin brass, and I recently took two boxes to the range.  One contained my reconstituted ammo with the IMR 4320 powder and 150-grain pulled Remington bullets; the other was loaded with 180-grain Nosler blemished bullets and AA 85 powder.  On this blemished bullet business: Sometimes bullet manufacturers sell factory seconds at reduced prices. This was the only time I’ve heard of blems from Nosler.  I’m a guy who loads for accuracy (I could care less about muzzle velocity or killing power), so the idea of using a rejected factory bullet seems silly.  I’m firing this ammo only to fireform the cases, so I was okay with reusing the pulled bullets.  And I felt more comfortable about firing the ammo as provided by Rick once I learned more about AA 86 and AA 85 propellants.

How did it shoot?  Both the boxes I tried (my IMR 4320 load and the 180-grain Nosler load) shot very well.  The 180-grain load predictably had a bit more recoil, but it wasn’t bad.   The 150-grain bullet and IMR 4320 load showed no primer flattening; the 180-grain Nosler load showed just a hint of primer flattening (but not enough to be of concern).

My favorite 300 H&H load showed no pressure signs. The guy who loaded it snuck in a different primer on one cartridge.
The ammo loaded with 180-grain Noslers and a near-max DP 86 load flattened the primers just a bit, but not enough to indicate excessive pressure. This load had more recoil, but it was still way below .300 Weatherby levels.

Accuracy was surprisingly good with both loads, especially considering that I dinged up the 150-grain Winchester bullets during the removal operation and the 180-grain Noslers were factory blems.

Here’s the target I shot at 100 yards with my IMR 4320 loads:

This is way below minute-of-wild-boar and more than accurate enough for ammo loaded with pulled bullets and brass that had not yet been fireformed. Next tme will be better.  It’s a load that has produced quarter-inch groups in the past.  I didn’t expect that kind of accuracy with this ammo due to the bullets’ condition.

And here’s one I shot with the 180-grain Noslers as loaded by the original reloader 12 1/2 years ago.  You can ignore the group(s) circled in black.  When good buddy Chuck gave me a target board at the range, it had a target stapled on it with usable real estate.  I’m cheap so I reused the target (somebody  had previously fired at the bullseyes circled in black; I only shot at the orange and blue targets).

Groups shot with the 180-grain blemished Nosler bullets and DP 86 surplus powder. It’s not bad for a dragon slayer at 100 yards. The shots circled in black were already on the target when I used it.

I’m quite pleased with this .300 H&H ammo.  I picked up 200 rounds at about one-sixth what factory ammo would have cost at a time when neither ammo nor brass is available.  It pays to maintain a relationship with local businesses.


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2 thoughts on “A 300 H&H Ammo Score”

  1. So, Joe,
    Ive been playing with the idea of getting a bolt action rifle with scope to shoot out on farm from 100–600-yards at weeds, rocks, targets, not critters. To learn how to adjust the scope for various distances, wind, etc. I’m frugal. So have been looking at Ruger American, Savage Axis , Savage 111 in 30-06 or 308. Sub $500 rifles new with scope.
    At Sportsmans ammo shelf I see maybe 5 boxes of 30-06 and half a shelf of 308 ammo in stock. I’m assuming 30-06 is not as popular as the 308 NATO ammo?
    Or maybe more popular since its deer hunting season and people are out hunting with it?
    Got any words of wisdom for a newbie who doesn’t want to break the bank to learn the basics? What caliber to go with? Scope size? Wood or plastic stocks?
    Thanks, that Weatherby has beautiful wood, I can see why you would redo the oil and keep it looking like a museum piece.

    1. Rob:

      I’ve not owned the Ruger American. My advice is to go with Savage (I have owned the Savage). Their accuracy is astonishing.

      .308 is generally mmore readily available than .30 06, but you would not be making a mistake with either. My choice would be to go with the .308. A bit less recoil with the .308, the ammo can be had for less, and .308 is usually more accurate than .30 06. Save your brass; you will get into reloading.

      You didn’t ask, but .223 would also be an excellent cartridge choice, with way less recoil, less noise, less ammo expense, and superior accuracy.

      As always, thanks for commenting.

      Joe

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