Bob

That photo above is greatly enlarged and that’s why the resolution is a bit on the low side…it’s taken from a video Susie captured of our resident bobcat.  You read that correctly…we have a bobcat that hangs around our neighborhood.  We see him (or her) regularly.  Sue caught Bob (or Bobbi) on video a few days ago:

We frequently see interesting wildlife here in So Cal.  Bob is one of our more interesting sightings.


Like you, I’ve seen a variety of wildlife on my motorcycle trips.  There was a herd of an estimated 100 deer early one freezing morning in Montana on the Three Flags ride back in 2005.  I had a close encounter of the scary kind with a gigantic bison on the Western America Adventure Ride about 6 years ago in Yellowstone.  Baja John and I were charged by an errant tarantula in Baja in 2009.  A bear ran across the road in front of us on the RX3s in the San Gabriel Mountains right here in California.  How about you?  Have you had any interesting encounters you’d care to share with us?  Just leave a comment here on the ExhaustNotes blog!

Marlin 1895 Cowboy Revisited

This is a followup to an earlier blog  about installing a new Williams front sight on my 1895 Marlin Cowboy lever gun.  I dialed in the new front sight on the Marlin 1895 Cowboy and it was right on the money.

I shot on the 50-yard range at a smallbore rifle target.  The top center S target caught my first three shots (with my 405-grain cast bullet load) and they were a touch high, so I dropped the rear sight one click and drifted it slightly to the right with my brass punch and a small hammer.  Targets 1 and 2 caught the next six rounds (all with the same 35.0 grains of IMR 4198 and the 405-grain Missouri cast bullet).  By Target 2, I was dialed in…dead center and hitting right at the point of aim.  Then I switched to another favored but lighter accuracy load, and that’s 16.2 grains of Trail Boss with a 300-grain Hornady jacketed hollow point.  I shot that load at the bottom two targets.

The Marlin Cowboy rifle kicks hard with the 405-grain bullet when shooting from the bench, but it sure is accurate. Both loads can shoot one-hole groups at 50 yards if I do my part.  I didn’t do as well at 100 yards (the above are 50-yard groups), but I think that was because I was feeling the effects of too much recoil already.  That front sight change worked for me, and the 1895 is a good shooting lever gun.


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The Columbia River Gorge

I’ve visited a few places in my time and I have a few favorites.  The Columbia River Gorge is at the top of the list.   Sue and I flew to Portland a few years ago for a quick 48-hour circumnavigation of the Columbia River Gorge.  I wish I could tell you we rode a motorcycle, but it was four wheels this time.  I have motorcycled through the Columbia River Gorge several times so I guess I’ve got my bona fides if I needed to prove something.  But I don’t and there are times when a  car is my preferred mode of travel.  You know, if it gets cold, you turn on the heater.  If it gets hot, you turn on the AC.  If it rains, you hit the windshield wipers.  Yeah, I know, I’m not being manly.  It is what it is, my brothers.

So anyway, we grabbed a Hyundai Veloster at the Portland rental lot.  It appealed to us, it promised to sip fuel gingerly (a promise it met), and it was comfortable for our weekend getaway.

The smart (and scenic) money on the Columbia’s Oregon side is Highway 30 (also known as the Oregon Scenic Byway), an historic (read:  two-lane, non-freeway) route that parallels the Columbia River. Twisty and green with stunning views of the falls and more quiet, and offering lots of things to stop and photograph…it’s a road that checks all the boxes.  There’s Multnomah Falls, the Vista House, moss-covered concrete guardrails, and much more.

Continuing east along Highway 30, still south of the Columbia River, is a ticket into a flower-covered stretch of scenery through the Rowena Crest area.  Rowena Crest kind of sounds like a suburban housing tract, but it is anything but.  This is good country up here in the Pacific Northwest.

This is a premier wildflower area, and they were out in force during our visit.

Here’s a shot a shot of the Columbia River in the Rowena Crest area.

We crossed the Columbia River (after riding east for most of that morning) at Biggs.  Once we were in Washington, we turned left on Highway 14, the road in Washington that parallels the Columbia on the Washington side.  It’s another two-lane road, although it’s busier than Highway 30 on the Oregon side.

Traveling west on 14, we were pointed directly at Mt. Hood (a snow-covered inactive volcano in Oregon).

The views and the roads are impressive on both sides of the Columbia River.

After driving for a while on the Washingon side, we came to the Bridge of the Gods.  It was our ticket back into Oregon.  I first rode across this bridge after riding the 2005 Three Flags Classic Rally.  Good buddy Marty and I had been up to Canada and we were returning to southern California through Washington and Oregon.  I love everything about the Bridge, not the least of which is the road surface.  It’s grated iron, and if you look down while riding a motorcycle, it’s as if you’re flying.  You can’t see the road surface at all…all you see is the Columbia River water way below.  It’s really cool.

Here’s the view from the Washington side.

Here’s what it looks like as you drive across.

And one more photo, this time from the Oregon side…

During our weekend in the Columbia River area, we stayed in Hood River, a nice little town on the Oregon side.   Our hotel was on the river, near a favored spot for kiteboarding and standup paddling.

A circumnavigation of the Columbia River Gorge, using the Bridge of the Gods and the bridge at Biggs at the western and eastern anchor points, makes for an ideal two-day adventure ride.  Hood River is the place to stay.


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Phavorite Photos: Orlando and Velma

We started this Phavorite Photo series a short while ago at Python Pete’s suggestion, and while going through a few of my favorites recently the photo you see above popped out.  That’s my good buddies Orlando and Velma on their CSC RX3 headed up to Dante’s View, a natural overook that provides what has to be the best view of Death Valley (the view is shown in the photo below).  We were on the Destinations Deal tour, and Orlando and Velma bought their RX3 motorcycle specifically to go with us on this ride.  The Destinations Deal was a grand ride, and Orlando and Velma are great traveling companions.

I grabbed that photo of Orlando and Velma with my little Nikon D3300, its kit 18-55mm lens, and a polarizer. The D3300 was a superb traveling SLR.  The photo needed a little tweaking in PhotoShop to bring it up (they almost all always do).  A bit of cropping, a correction in levels, another correction in curves, eliminating an unsightly sign that was in the background, and just a little bit of vibrance and saturation enhancement.  Here’s what the original looked like:

I was particularly impressed with Orlando’s RX3 motorcycle. This was the second time I led a CSC tour with folks riding two up on an RX3. Orlando had no difficulty hanging with the rest of us (we were all riding solo), and surprisingly, his bike returned the same fuel economy.  There’s a lot to be said for small bikes.  I’ve said some of it before.

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Bond. Titanium Bond.

A watch is a personal and emotional purchase, much like a motorcycle or a rifle.   By definition, whatever you choose is perfect and the best; what anyone else chooses is not and is somehow indicative of a deep-seated character flaw.  I get that.

Having said that, I never got the attraction of an Omega wristwatch.  I know some folks love them and if you wear an Omega, more power to you.  It’s just not me, which is why I found the attractive young lady pushing the latest Omega at me amusing.

Omega, you see, never misses a marketing opportunity, and their latest product placement achievement is the new Bond movie, No Time To Die.  In it, 007 wears a titanium Omega Seamaster. The high end watch store in Palo Alto had a couple of the titanium Bond Omegas in stock, and the young sales lady was attempting what could only be described as a hard sell.  She was new to these shores, I think, and evidently convinced that if James Bond wore a titanium Omega, every man in America would want one as well.

“Bond wears,” she kept repeating, as if that was all it would take to get me to plunk down $9800 for an Omega (it would actually take a lot more, like maybe a $9700 discount).  Before I realized it, she had unbuckled my Casio Marlin (the best deal in a dive watch ever and one I wear frequently), and she had the titanium Bond on my wrist.  She would have made a good pickpocket.

“Bond wears,” she said again.

I wondered if she realized Bond is a fictional character.

The titanium Seamaster was light, almost like a plastic watch.  I could barely detect its presence.  I didn’t care for the look of the mesh bracelet, but damn, that thing was a feather.

“NATO Bond,” she said, pushing another titanium Bond Seamaster at me, this one with a cloth NATO band.  NATO watchbands…that’s another fad I never fell for.  They look cheap.  I was in the US Army and the only special watchbands I ever saw were the velcro bands paratroopers wear (they tear away if your watch gets caught on the door when exiting an aircraft…you lose your watch but you get to keep your arm, which isn’t a bad deal if you think about it).  I’m pretty sure guys in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization don’t actually wear NATO bands, but what do I know?

I like the look of a dive watch and I own a couple of them.  My tastes run toward high quality and low cost, so my personal favorites are the Casio Marlin (a watch I’ve written about before) and a Seiko Batman I bought at Costco a few years ago.  The Marlin was $39, it keeps superb time, it looks good, and it works well (it’s the watch I wore when I rode through Colombia).  The Marlin did just fine in the Andes’ torrential rains.  I’ve never tried the Marlin in the deep blue sea, though.  I’m not a diver and I really don’t know how well it would work as a dive watch.  But I’m not a fictional British secret agent, either, so unlike Daniel Craig I don’t need the titanium Bond watch.  If I need external inspiration, I’ll take it elsewhere. Bill Gates wears a Casio Marlin and even though he doesn’t have a blog or a motorcycle, he’s real and he seems to have done okay.  But I don’t need to emulate other people.  I just wear watches I find appealing.

I asked the young sales lady where she was from and she said Cupertino.  No, originally, I asked.  “China,” she said.  I asked where and she told me (it was a city in Hebei Province), I told her I had been there, and we chatted about the ride Gresh and I did across China.  She told me I had been to more places in China than she had.  I wore a Timex on that ride, I told her, like Napoleon Solo in The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (the Chinese guys called me Dàshū, which means “big uncle,” so it sort of fit).  She laughed, but I’m pretty sure she didn’t know what I was talking about. Sometimes that makes for the best conversations.


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Favorite Baja Hotels: Guerrero Negro’s Don Gus

That photo above could also be in our Phavorite Photos series.  It’s the motorcycles on one of our Baja rides (all CSC RX3s) parked outside our rooms at the Don Gus Hotel in Guerrero Negro.  That photo has always been one of my favorites.

Not fancy, not expensive, and comfortable:  That’s how I would describe the Don Gus Hotel in Guerrero Negro (incidentally, that’s also a pretty good good description of the RX3).  The Don Gus is on the main drag on the left as you come into town, and it’s nearly directly across the street from the more well-known Malarimmo’s.   The Don Gus has a nice bar and the food is great.

Malarimmo’s usually fills up quickly when the California gray whales are in nearby Scammon’s Lagoon (that would be from January through March).  There are at least a half-dozen hotels in Guerrero Negro, and the Don Gus is the one I’d go for if Malarimmo’s is booked up.  The Don Gus is less expensive than Malarimmo’s and the restaurant maybe isn’t as fancy, but it’s a good place to stay and you won’t be disappointed.  If you want a whale watching tour and Malarrimo’s is full, let the folks at the Don Gus know the night before and they’ll hook you up with another tour company.  They’ve done so for me many times, and I’ve found that once you are out on the water who you tour with doesn’t make a difference.  They are all great.

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Later, Gator

I had a tough time choosing a title for this blog.  I went with what you see above because it reminds me of one of my favorite Dad jokes…you know, the one about how you tell the difference between a crocodile and an alligator.  If you don’t see it for a while, it’s a crocodile.  If you see it later, well, then it’s a gator.  The other choice might have been the old United Negro College Fund pitch:  A Mine is a Terrible Thing to Waste.  But if I went with that one I might be called a racist, which seems to be the default response these days anytime anyone disagrees with me about anything.

Gresh likes hearing my war stories.  Not combat stories, but stories about the defense industry.  I never thought they were all that interesting, but Gresh is easily entertained and he’s a good traveling buddy, so I indulge him on occasion.  Real war stories…you know how you can tell them from fairy tales?  A fairy tale starts out with “once upon a time.”  A war story starts out with “this is no shit, you guys…”


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So, this is a “no shit” story.  It sounds incredible, but it’s all true.  I was an engineer at Aerojet Ordnance, and I made my bones analyzing cluster bomb failures.  They tell me I’m pretty good at it (I wrote a book about failure analysis, I still teach industry and gubmint guys how to analyze complex systems failures, and I sometimes work as an expert witness in this area).  It pays the rent and then some.

So this deal was on the Gator mine system, which was a real camel (you know, a horse designed by a committee).  The Gator mine system was a Tri-Service program (three services…the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force).  It was officially known as the CBU-89/B cluster munition (CBU stands for Cluster Bomb Unit).  The way it worked is instead of having to go out and place the mines manually, an airplane could fly in and drop a couple of these things, the bombs would open on the way down and dispense their mines (each cluster bomb contained 94 mines), the mines would arm, and voila, you had a minefield.  Just like that.

It sounds cool, but the Gator was a 20-year-old turkey that couldn’t pass the first article test (you had to build two complete systems and the Air Force would drop them…if the mines worked at a satisfactory level, you could start production).  The UNCF slogan notwithstanding, the folks who had tried to take this Tri-Service camel and build it to the government’s design wasted a lot of mines.  In 20 years, several defense contractors had taken Gator production contracts, and every one of them failed the first article flight test.  When my boss’s boss decided we would bid it at Aerojet, I knew two things:  We, too, would fail the first article flight test, and it would end up in my lap.  I was right on both counts.  We built the flight test units per the government design and just like every one else, we failed with a disappointing 50% mine function rate.  And I got the call to investigate why.

So, let’s back up a couple of centuries.  You know, we in the US get a lot of credit for pioneering mass production.   Rightly so, I think, but most folks are ignorant about what made it possible.  Nope, it wasn’t Henry Ford and his Model T assembly line.   It was something far more subtle, and that’s the concept of parts interchangeability.  Until parts interchangeability came along (which happened about a hundred years before old Henry did his thing), you couldn’t mass produce anything.  And to make parts interchangeable, you had to have two numbers for every part dimension:  The nominal dimension, and a tolerance around that dimension.  When we say we have a 19-inch wheel, for example, that’s the nominal dimension.  There’s also a ± tolerance (that’s read plus or minus) associated with that 19-inch dimension.  If the wheel diameter tolerance was ±0.005 inches, the wheel might be anywhere from 18.995 to 19.005 inches.  Some tolerances are a simple ± number, others are a + something and a – something if the tolerance band is not uniform (like you see in the drawing below).  But everything has a tolerance because you can’t always make parts exactly to the nominal dimension.

Where companies get sloppy is they do a lousy job assigning tolerances to nominal dimensions, and they do an even worse job analyzing the effects of the tolerances when parts are built at the tolerance extremes.  Analyzing these effects is called tolerance analysis.  Surprisingly, most engineering schools don’t teach it, and perhaps not so surprisingly, most companies don’t do it.  All this has been a very good thing for me, because I get to make a lot of money analyzing the failures this kind of engineering negligence causes.  In fact, the cover photo on my failure analysis book is an x-ray of an aircraft emergency egress system that failed because of negligent tolerancing (which killed two Navy pilots when their aircraft caught fire).

I don’t think people consciously think about this and decide they don’t need to do tolerance analysis.  I think they don’t do it because it is expensive and in many cases their engineers do not have the necessary skills.  At least, they don’t do it initially.  In production, when they have failures some companies are smart enough to return to the tolerancing issue.  That’s when they do the tolerance analysis they should have done during the design phase, and they find they have tolerance accumulations that can cause a problem.

Anyway, back to the Gator mine system.  The Gator system had a dispenser (a canister) designed by the Air Force, the mines were designed by the Army, and the system had an interface kit designed by the Navy.  Why they did it this way, I have no idea. It was about as dumb an approach for a development program as I have ever seen.  Your tax dollars at work, I guess.

The Navy’s Gator interface kit positioned the mines within the dispenser and sent an electronic pulse from the dispenser to the mines when it was time to start the mine arming sequence.  This signal went from coils in the interface kit to matching coils in each mine (there was no direct connection; the electric pulse passed from the interface kit coils to the mine coils).  You can see these coils in the photo below (they are the copper things).

In our first article flight test at Eglin Air Force Base, only about 50% of the mines worked.  That was weird, because when we tested the mines one at a time, they always worked.  I had a pretty good feeling that the mines weren’t getting the arming signal.   The Army liked that concept a lot (they had design responsibility for the mines), but the Air Force and the Navy were eyeing me the way a chicken might view Colonel Sanders.

I started asking questions about the tolerancing in the Navy’s part of the design, because I thought if the coils were not centered directly adjacent to the matching coils in each mine, the arming signal wouldn’t make it to the mine.  The Navy, you see, had the responsibility for the stuffing that held the mines in place and for the coils that brought the arming signal to the mines.

At a big meeting with the engineering high rollers from all three services, I floated this idea of coil misalignment due to tolerance accumulation.  The Navy guy basically went berserk and told me it could never happen.  His reaction was so extreme I knew I had to be on to something (in a Shakespearian methinks the lady doth protest too much sort of way).  At this point, both the Army and Air Force guys were smiling.  The Navy guy was staring daggers at me.  You could almost see smoke coming out his ears. He was a worm, I was the hook, and we were going fishing.  And we both knew it.

I asked the Navy engineer directly how much misalignment would prevent signal transmission, he kept telling me it couldn’t happen, and I kept pressing for a number:  How much coil misalignment would it take?  Finally, the Navy dude told me there would have to be at least a quarter of an inch misalignment between the Navy coils and those in the mine.  I don’t think he really knew, but he was throwing out a number to make it look like he did.  At that point, I was pretty sure I had him.  I looked at my engineering design manager and he left the room.  Why?  To do a tolerance analysis, of course.  Ten minutes later he was back with the numbers that showed the Navy’s interface kit tolerances could allow way more than a quarter inch of misalignment.

When I shared that with the guys in our Tri-Service camel committee, the Navy guy visibly deflated.  His 20-year secret was out.  The Army and the Air Force loved it (they both hated the Navy, and they really hated the Navy engineer).

We tightened the tolerances in our production and built two more cluster bombs.  I was at the load plant to oversee the load, assemble, and pack operation, and when we flight tested my two cluster bombs with live drops from an F-16 we had a 100% mine function rate (which had never been achieved before).  That allowed us to go into production and we made a ton of money on the Gator program.  I’m guessing that Navy weasel still hates me.

It’s hard to believe this kind of stuff goes on, but it does.  I’ve got lots of stories with similar tolerance-induced recurring failures, and maybe I’ll share another one or two here at some point.  Ask me about the Apache main rotor blade failures sometime…that’s another good one.


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Pandas!

That Seiko watch you see on the right, known informally as “The Panda” in watch collector circles, is perhaps the best watch I’ve ever owned.  I bought it at the Kunsan AFB Base Exchange when I was a young Army dude in 1975 for the princely sum of $76, which was a bit of a stretch for me.  Oh, I had the bucks.  The Army didn’t pay us much, but we didn’t have expenses, either, so $76 was eminently doable.  In fact, I bought Seiko stainless steel chronographs from the Base Exchange for my Dad and my grandfather, too.  Their watches were only $67, but the Panda had the day and the date on the face, and three timing features:  Seconds on the main watch face, minutes on the lower subdial, and hours on the upper subdial.  It was a beautiful thing and it was all mechanical.  I wore it for about 10 years, and then when Ebay started to get popular I auctioned it away.  I was quite pleased with the results.  The watch that originally set me back $76 went for just north of $200 on Ebay 30 years ago.  Today, though, that same watch brings around $2000. I sold too soon. Go figure.

Anyway, being the watch junkie that I am, I was more than a little intrigued by a very similar watch now being offered by Breitling.  It is also an all mechanical watch Breitling calls the “Premier.”

I’d call it a Panda, and I’d sure like to own one.  But the Breitling MSRP is a lofty $8500.  They are just over $6,000 on Amazon, but that’s still way above my pay grade.

In poking around on the Internet looking at the Breitlings, I learned that they offer several versions of their Premier.  One is a model that pays tribute to the Norton motorcycle, which has different colors, old school numbers on the face, and a band that, frankly, looks cheap to me.   The colors don’t really work for me, either, but maybe that’s because I want my Panda to look like a panda.  If I wanted a Norton motorcycle, I’d buy a Norton.

Seiko is back on the Panda wagon, too, as is Citizen and perhaps others with modern versions of this classic watch design.  Their prices are way more reasonable, too, being in the $200 to $300 range. But the new Seiko and Citizen Pandas are solar-powered quartz watches.

There’s nothing wrong with electric watches (in fact, their accuracy is astounding), but I’m a mechanical guy.  I own a few solar watches and several battery-powered watches.  I like them all.  But there’s a certain cachet (a fancy word for cool) associated with a mechanical watch, even if you give up a little accuracy. I would like to wear that Breitling just to pretend I’m still a yuppie, but it’s not gonna happen.


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Gardner’s Powder-Coated 185 gr SWCs

Here’s a quick look at some new 185-grain powder-coated semi-wadcutter bullets I received from my good buddy Jim Gardner.  I loaded 50 with 5.0 grains of Bullseye in mixed brass to get a feel for how they shot.  They did great!

This was a quick look with zero load development; I just used the load that had worked well for me with cast-and-lubed 185-grain semi-wadcutter bullets.  The distance was 50 feet.

The two targets on the left were just to get a feel where the load shot, and then I put the remaining 40 rounds through the silhouette  target.  Interestingly, there was no leading and no blue paint residue in the barrel.  I like these Gardner bullets!


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Citizen Nighthawk GMT

Another favorite watch and one I highly recommend:  The Citizen Nighthawk GMT watch.  I bought mine maybe 25 years ago when this model was first offered as an exclusive through Macy’s.  Today you can find them for sale through many different outlets (sometimes below $300).  One of the best spots is Amazon.

At 43mm it’s a big watch, but unlike a lot of big watches, it wears well on my wrist and doesn’t seem to want to roll around.  The Nighthawk has a lot of features, some of which I use on a regular basis and others that I use infrequently.  I like them whether I use them or not.  Watches are grown-up boy’s toys, and this one answers the mail for me.  There’s the standard date display at 3:00, there’s the slide rule (explained in an earlier blog on my first-gen Citizen Blue Angels watch), there’s the GMT feature (more on that in a second), there’s the Eco-Drive engine, and there’s a lume to this thing that just doesn’t quit.

That photo above?  I shot it with my iPhone in the dark a night or two ago, and other than cropping, it’s not been tweaked in PhotoShop.  The lume really is that bright and legible at night.  You can’t read by it, but you almost can.  It’s the brightest lume I’ve ever seen on a watch.  It’s so bright I sometimes wonder what it might be doing to me.  Wearing this watch might be the equivalent of living in Chernobyl for a month.

The GMT feature (GMT stands for Greenwich Mean Time) is one that allows you to simultanously see the time in two time zones.   This is one I use when I’m traveling (especially overseas).  Unlike other GMT watches, the Citizen’s approach is to offer another hand and a dial printed on the watch face.  It’s that half-circle deal you see with red and white lettering on the inner left half of the dial.  The way this works is when you are in, say, China, you unscrew the watch stem, click it halfway out, and advance the hour hand so it shows the time in China (it’s usually a 13-hour difference).  To see the time back home, you use the that inner half-moon dial and the home watch hand.  The home watch hand is the small hand (with a red aircraft on one end and a white aircraft on the other end), and it continues to show the time back in California.  You read the p.m. time on the red scale with the red airplane, and the a.m. time on the white scale scale with the white airplane.  It’s all very clever.

Citizen has had this watch available in one form or another for a couple of decades now.  Mine is the original version, and it’s the one I probably wear most often.  The Eco-Drive feature works, and it works well with just about any kind of light.  When I’m not wearing this watch, it sits on a shelf in my office, and the artificial light in there is enough to keep it percolating.  I set the watch to the time.gov NIST site, and months later, it is still accurate to the second with the official US government time.

The most recent versions of this watch are a black-faced version with an OD green leather band, or an all black version with a black leather band.  I saw the OD green version in a Macy’s up north this past week, and it’s a good looking piece.

Here’s the blacked out version.

Citizen’s had a lot of mileage with their Blue Angels themed watches, and that treatment has been applied to their GMT in stainless steel and leather band versions.

The two Blue Angels versions immediately above are not in current production, but they are still available.  I like this watch so much I’m tempted to buy the Blue Angels version, too, but that would be excessive even for a watch guy like me.

In general, I prefer a steel band watch to a leather band.  I like the look of the leather band better, but leather bands wear out or get dirty within a year or two.  Then you can’t always find an exact replacement for the original leather band.  I tend to wear a watch 24-7 (including in the shower), so a leather band is not the way I typically go with a watch.

Oh, one other advantage to these watches:  I sometimes forget to take my Citizen Nighthawk off going through airport security, and for whatever reason, it doesn’t trigger the metal detector.


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